Join the best erotica focused adult social network now
Login

verisimilitude / safe sex in stories

last reply
14 replies
1.1k views
0 watchers
0 likes
Lurker
0 likes
Hi all--
I have a question, though it may fall in my general tendency to overthink things...

In the stories that I like to read, and in the ones that I like to write, I tend to prefer a general logical consistency, and also a logical set-up. The situation may be unlikely, or even fantastic, but I want the action to make sense once it happens, and to make sense once it's happening. I don't want to have the reader think, "wait a minute, where did the bottle of lube just magically come from?" or "how is this hour-long shower not making this suburban house's water heater run out of hot water?"

There may be an unlikely foursome going on or whatever, but those other little details will generally bug me, and I want to get them right.

I sort of compare it to a James Bond movie. I'm willing to happily accept that the speedboat can jump over the helicopter, but it will bother me if a character can drive to the airport in 5 minutes when I know it takes an hour.


All that said, I feel next to no temptation to have most of my characters in my stories use condoms, even if they probably "should." By "should" I mean that the story is otherwise true-to-life enough where you'd expect the characters not to just be reckless. Sure, I have a few married couples in there from time to time, but by and large, my characters are maybe even usually the type of personality who probably would be safe, regardless of whatever kinky things they're doing, but I tend to just gloss over that detail. It makes for more seamless narrative in my mind.

I did write one story in the Cheating category where the characters *had* to use condoms, or you would have thought they were insane, but otherwise, I think that may have been the only one where I had that happen.

Was wondering about others' thoughts on this. Are the stories here the kind of fantasy where the realities of safe sex can be happily ignored (as in a masturbatory fantasy, where at least for me, condoms have never been involved), or does the absence of condoms sort of make at least some people wince and think, "ok, this doesn't make as much sense as it should have" ?
Active Ink Slinger
0 likes
First; In the situation like the hot water. We have a lot of parties at our house with lots of showers. We have an on demand hot water system. There is not a storage tank. So it never runs out of hot water.

Second; We just returned from a long trip to NY. We stayed with a couple that Hubbie controls the sex life of the wife. She prefers to go bareback, even with strangers. She leaves it up to the other participant or participants as to the use of protection. She is like me and can't get pregnant. I have actually though of how I would get that in if I wrote about our adventures. I think I have decided to write it in as part of her excitement, which it is. But not mention when when the participants put one on. We use protection out side of our private swing group.

My stories are not fantasy, but real events from my life. In my stories I tend to add a lot of detail, but do not mention putting on protection because it can interrupt the erotic mood I'm trying to portray to the reader, just like it would in the real event taking place. We formed our group to be able to have bareback safe sex. Hubbie and I did not use protection when swinging until the late 80s when HIV / AIDS showed up in our community. So far my stories are still from my younger years before Aids. I lost my ability to get pregnant when I was 12. I was riding on a motorcycle with my dad when we got hit by a beer truck.

When the time comes I plan to mention the protection at the end or the very beginning of the story when I think it is needed. Not when it is happening within the story for the above mentioned reason.

But more of than not I believe it can be left out. When Hubbie and I had a profile on a swinger site we mentioned the all penetration required protection. So maybe it can be introduced into a story as a conversation the participants are having before any action takes place. That would establish it early on in the story.

I need to get back to,work

Brandie
Chuckanator
0 likes
I guess the things that pop out to me are the formulated sex patterns. Things like there are seldom any average body types in fantasy stories. Every guy is hung like a horse. The girls have DD boobs that crave giant cocks and anal sex. And yeah, no one wears condoms. Plus the red hot mamas never seem to have a period.

I personally find stories that are closer to reality more appealing because I can relate to them. Stories where cheating or even open marriage has consequences. Where infidelity is met by painful results of broken vows and promises that take a monumental effort to overcome.

Anyway, I see your point about safe sex in stories.
Raised on Blackroot
0 likes
Interesting question, but yes, 99% of the sex practiced in Erotica stories on here, you'd never want to actually practice in real life. Especially when the basis for many stories involves sex with complete strangers.

However, I find that a suspension of belief is sort of required when detailing sex scenes.

I mean, is describing the act of putting on a condom all that interesting? Is it erotic? I mean, I've had one put on with a girl's mouth before (impressive) but still not really all that appealing.

It's also sort of an awkward segue to transition from a steamy bar encounter to restroom to *oops, lemme put this condom before I fuck you wild*.

It'd just be super weird.

I prefer to think of it as basing my stories, personally, in an "alternate reality" if you will, where sexual diseases just don't exist. Not, axing out that, there's always still leeway for the "pregnancy risk" if that's your thing, but that's not really an interest of mine to explore in writing.

I guess the things that pop out to me are the formulated sex patterns. Things like there are seldom any average body types in fantasy stories. Every guy is hung like a horse. The girls have DD boobs that crave giant cocks and anal sex


That's more the product of lazy, unimaginative writing in my opinion. Kinda like lazy pornography (cough, most of the American shit that gets peddled like the god awful beer) where the scenes are so out there and the women so ridiculously proportioned it becomes an unintentional comedy.


As for the minute details you have quibbles with like your water system thing...

Meh. Such moments are usually avoided in literature unless they have an express purpose because GOOD FUCKING GOD IT'D BE BORING AS SHIT.

I mean, to be extremely hyperbolic, you're in the middle of a shower sex scene and all of a sudden as the female in question is about to scream bloody murder from an orgasm she screams out "holy fuck the water bill, Bobby!" as she proceeds to squirt all over the shower curtain.

I mean, there's some comedy there.

In fact, maybe some parody potential.
Lurker
0 likes
I have yet to actually post a story on Lush, mainly because my stories appear to be a whole lot more hardcore than Lush can deal with, but even if the topic was rewritten to be acceptable I may be turned down because my stories are too detailed in that sort of thing.

My brain tends to work in the detail of which hand is pulling on the subject's piercings and what the puller's other hand is doing, exactly how someone puts on a condom or which order certain things happen. I'm not sure whether other people either appreciate this or even understand my level of detail, but that's how my brain works. I don't want things to be impossible and I do read some things and wonder how the thing that they are describing is supposed to happen.

Maybe that takes me away from the emotions of a topic and more towards the mechanics, but if someone has their arms tied behind them and is then undressed, I am the sort of person who is going to notice that the only way that their top could be removed without undoing their arms would be to cut their top off, and they then can't later put those clothes back on again if that's happened. In my stories, if their clothes are cut off then they remain naked until other clothes are found.

I'm a scientist by training and I observe. Unfortunately, sometimes these observations are somewhat less than erotic.
Her Royal Spriteness
0 likes
Quote by PanJinlian
I have yet to actually post a story on Lush, mainly because my stories appear to be a whole lot more hardcore than Lush can deal with, but even if the topic was rewritten to be acceptable I may be turned down because my stories are too detailed in that sort of thing.

My brain tends to work in the detail of which hand is pulling on the subject's piercings and what the puller's other hand is doing, exactly how someone puts on a condom or which order certain things happen. I'm not sure whether other people either appreciate this or even understand my level of detail, but that's how my brain works. I don't want things to be impossible and I do read some things and wonder how the thing that they are describing is supposed to happen.

Maybe that takes me away from the emotions of a topic and more towards the mechanics, but if someone has their arms tied behind them and is then undressed, I am the sort of person who is going to notice that the only way that their top could be removed without undoing their arms would be to cut their top off, and they then can't later put those clothes back on again if that's happened. In my stories, if their clothes are cut off then they remain naked until other clothes are found.

I'm a scientist by training and I observe. Unfortunately, sometimes these observations are somewhat less than erotic.


i think you underestimate the site. as long as a story doesn't break content TOS, as long as your grammar isn't atrocious, there is room for it, no matter how hard-core or detailed. i really would love to see you submit your work, so please, think about it.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Rainbow Warrior
0 likes
I'm sure your characters need to go to the bathroom to take a dump occasionally too, but let's not be realistic enough to write about it. There is such a thing as artistic license, and there are some things I don't need to be explicit about describing, even if they happen in reality.
Lurker
0 likes
Quote by sprite


i think you underestimate the site. as long as a story doesn't break content TOS, as long as your grammar isn't atrocious, there is room for it, no matter how hard-core or detailed. i really would love to see you submit your work, so please, think about it.


Really, I can't submit any of my existing work because pretty much all of it falls under your 'dangerous practises' rule- I've checked with Liz.

I'm writing more, but my muse doesn't like being limited in topic and is currently in a strop so it may take some time smile

I typically correct other people's grammar so I don't think I have much to worry about once I've got the topic inside the TOS.
Lurker
0 likes
Quote by BethanyFrasier
I'm sure your characters need to go to the bathroom to take a dump occasionally too, but let's not be realistic enough to write about it. There is such a thing as artistic license, and there are some things I don't need to be explicit about describing, even if they happen in reality.


That might be against site rules...

Kidding aside, I may have made my case too strongly for my literal-mindedness. The hot-water issue was something that came to mind when I was struggling to think of an example, but is unlikely to be the sort of thing I meant.

It's more that I generally try to have my characters inhabit more of the real world, than the world Chuckepoo describes and objects to. They're not in the "I have 44DD boobs and am always down to fuck. --Oh good, I have a 10'' cock, let's go" world. Since they talk to each other like real people, and in most respects behave like real people, I don't think it's a stretch that they might be prone to using condoms.

But I generally don't want them to. That's all I really meant.
Her Royal Spriteness
0 likes
Quote by PanJinlian


Really, I can't submit any of my existing work because pretty much all of it falls under your 'dangerous practises' rule- I've checked with Liz.



oh, okay, well, damn. now i'm kind of interested, too smile

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

The Linebacker
0 likes
I've had characters trip and fall trying to get their clothes off or bounce around funny making the other one laugh. I had a guy jerking off while peeking over a sand dune at two girls getting it on when his horse became untied and poked him in the butt. He screamed, jumped up with his pants around his ankles and exposed himself to the chicks.

Crazy stuff can and does happen during sex. Just think about real life. I've had a bed break and collapse to the floor in the middle of fucking. Had people walk in and catch us having sex. Once my girlfriend and I were having sex in a 2 seat sportscar in an alley when a homeless person stuck their head in the window and scared the shit out of us. Sure incorporate that into your stories. Have some fun.
0 likes
Sometimes, I like to have my male dominants use condoms to demonstrate that they take control of that aspect of sex as well. In other cases, I purposely don't have them use condoms because the character would get off on comming in or on the partner. It really depends on the character.

What is missing, for me, is the lack of conversation about it when they don't use a condom. I've never been able to find a way to work it in naturally without breaking the flow of a scene, whether a sex scene or a seduction scene.
Certified Mind Reader
0 likes
Quote by oceanrunner
It's more that I generally try to have my characters inhabit more of the real world, than the world Chuckepoo describes and objects to. They're not in the "I have 44DD boobs and am always down to fuck. --Oh good, I have a 10'' cock, let's go" world. Since they talk to each other like real people, and in most respects behave like real people, I don't think it's a stretch that they might be prone to using condoms. But I generally don't want them to. That's all I really meant.


I agree, and pretty much said the same thing on another thread yesterday. Probably why I tend to enjoy your stories - they're logically consistent. As for no condoms, that might be James Bond shooting the pilot with his wristwatch laser as he jumps over the helicopter in his Aston Martin - it's part of the action I'm willing to go along with because in the Bond films, they've created a universe in which Bond is likely to be able to do extraordinary things, and usually Q has explained all about the secret lasers in the watch and extra thrust in the car at the start of the movie.

That's the difference between Bond and Batman - Batman's gadgets are ludicrous, and always seem to materialize magically just at the right occasion:

B: Quickly Robin get me the Bat Birthday candles!
R: You seriously had special birthday candles manufactured in your own brand?
B: Of course.
R: You know you can just buy a pack of these for like a buck at a Dollar Store? What did these cost you to actually develop and manufacture?
B: Five dollars plus shipping and handling.
R: Per pack?
B: Per candle.
R: [whistles] Alright man, here are your Bat birthday candles. Can I ask you, though, under what circumstances could you possibly foresee a situation in which you needed to instantly produce birthday candles? I can think of about a million things we'd be more likely to use as caped crusaders. What other Bat shit do you have just lying around?
B: [hanging his head] I've squandered my fortune on creating mostly useless junk.

Post-avant-retro-demelodicized-electro-yodel-core is my jam.

Active Ink Slinger
0 likes
Quote by oceanrunner
Hi all--
I have a question, though it may fall in my general tendency to overthink things...

In the stories that I like to read, and in the ones that I like to write, I tend to prefer a general logical consistency, and also a logical set-up. The situation may be unlikely, or even fantastic, but I want the action to make sense once it happens, and to make sense once it's happening. I don't want to have the reader think, "wait a minute, where did the bottle of lube just magically come from?" or "how is this hour-long shower not making this suburban house's water heater run out of hot water?"

There may be an unlikely foursome going on or whatever, but those other little details will generally bug me, and I want to get them right.

I sort of compare it to a James Bond movie. I'm willing to happily accept that the speedboat can jump over the helicopter, but it will bother me if a character can drive to the airport in 5 minutes when I know it takes an hour.


All that said, I feel next to no temptation to have most of my characters in my stories use condoms, even if they probably "should." By "should" I mean that the story is otherwise true-to-life enough where you'd expect the characters not to just be reckless. Sure, I have a few married couples in there from time to time, but by and large, my characters are maybe even usually the type of personality who probably would be safe, regardless of whatever kinky things they're doing, but I tend to just gloss over that detail. It makes for more seamless narrative in my mind.

I did write one story in the Cheating category where the characters *had* to use condoms, or you would have thought they were insane, but otherwise, I think that may have been the only one where I had that happen.

Was wondering about others' thoughts on this. Are the stories here the kind of fantasy where the realities of safe sex can be happily ignored (as in a masturbatory fantasy, where at least for me, condoms have never been involved), or does the absence of condoms sort of make at least some people wince and think, "ok, this doesn't make as much sense as it should have" ?


I've never used a condom so my characters don't